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dumbsaint
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 Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:04 am Post subject: CC masters? |
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I rolled a Psi to be the CC king. Was this the right move? I understand we have a lot of tools for it but I keep reading about Bards being the ones to take care of crowd control at later levels? Is this true?
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Paradigne
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| Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not at end game on either my Psi or my Bard BUT, we get at LEAST one more CC ability (Simulacrum) that no one else gets. IMHO using a Bard for CC is like using a Druid for healing.
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Bards get both Charm and Sleep. Both last only 18 seconds before recast. Our Charm only last 2 nore seconds, but may not break at that time (will last up to 7 minutes). Our Mez lasts for 45 seconds.
On a side note: Don't Bards sleep work on darn near anything?
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Brahman
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| Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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Bards can sleep and charm just about everything, live, undead, elemental, anything that gives us the "wrong race" error, whatever.
Their charm doesn't last as long, but of course when it breaks they don't seem to have too much trouble just off-tanking it for a while till the tank gets to it. |
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Meldryn
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Lokee
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 10:40 am Post subject: |
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Right now at end game, Psis are more-or-less tied for third-best CC class along with sorcs, right behind monks (yes they can split-pull) and bards.
Of course it depends mostly on the zone... |
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Nazaryx Arcones
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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| The fact that Monk's can FD split pulls is a confirmed bug. Those few mobs that lag behind the rest when the monk FD's is a bug with pathing. Once fixed, the only way a mob will stay is if the FD fails. |
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Darlie
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| Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 12:56 am Post subject: |
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| Brahman wrote: | Bards can sleep and charm just about everything, live, undead, elemental, anything that gives us the "wrong race" error, whatever.
Their charm doesn't last as long, but of course when it breaks they don't seem to have too much trouble just off-tanking it for a while till the tank gets to it. |
Dumbsaint,
1. Bard charm cast time is 2.0..they can always charm a mob before you can (our charm cast time is 3.0) IF they do charm it doesn't matter that their charm breaks quick they can just recharm before you get your spell cast.
2.And, as Brahman said they can charm things we cannot.
You will find that if you do pick up groups you WILL at some point ( or in my case many points) end up with bards who decide that since they can do it faster and can do it to a bigger variety of creatures it *must* be their job to cc.
I have stopped fighting with bards over this.. I just no longer group with bards I don't know.
If that's not an option for you the best thing to do is to set up ground rules as soon as you get in a group with a strange bard. If they won't listen you'll have to find another group or resign yourself to being a buff-bot/pathetic nuker.
I believe ranger charm also casts faster than ours but theirs is limited to critters.
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cranky
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Supposedly bards are getting a fear ability as well, might actually have gone in this patch not sure though.
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Darlie
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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Greeeat now they can pretend to be necros instead of Psi...one can hope anyway.
Of course this also means crazy feared mobs and bards who can outrun them when they come back with friends... **sigh** doom doom the end is near! 
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cranky
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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| cranky wrote: | | Supposedly bards are getting a fear ability as well, might actually have gone in this patch not sure though. |
They did get fear but supposedly its broke atm.
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HoldDaMayo
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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| I think a Bard is more valuable to a group than a Psi... the damage they add plus the CC, plus the movement buffs... 9 times out of 10 i'd tell someone to chose a bard over a Psi... only thing we have is some nice mana regen and Int/wis buffs... but i'd wager to say that the DPS song of a good end game bard adds more damage to a Sorc, Necro, Druid, then our buffs. I know that it seems to almost double my damage when a good bard is grouped... hell, maybe the best group has a bard and a Psi, who knows... sometimes when grouped with a bard I actually feel like a serious DPS class |
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cranky
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The bard I usualy group with always added alot of to my nukes. But recently he got the ceros isle mask and its just WOW, I mean everything we kill goes down so much faster.
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Jools
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I play with a Bard every night. It goes much faster is he charms the second mob on 2 pulls. On 3 or more mob pulls I step up and time stop then put a mez on whatever he doesnt claim and deal with the rest, if any. Having a Bard and PSI in group basically means the group never wipes. I think to is nice to have the Bard do the grunt work. 
For those who have to pick between filling the last spot with a Bard or PSI, I highly recommend picking the better player as yoru sole basis for choice. |
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Sailormoontw
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 9:07 am Post subject: |
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| Brahman wrote: | Bards can sleep and charm just about everything, live, undead, elemental, anything that gives us the "wrong race" error, whatever.
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I think it's a bug. Originally our druids' spell "Hibernate" can mez any race, but it got fixed soon when ppl think it's bug. And bards' one seems a bug to me. |
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enroliomi
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| Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 3:55 pm Post subject: CC masters |
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I know that some from Cohort 5 have switched in mid-swing errr...at least 1 person did. So yes, it can be done, or at least it could be done in C5.
You will have to pay more for tuition when you switch though Masters is more expensive than Certificate. |
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