Massive Psion Nerf on Test

Darkpoet Slainheart · Psionicist Class Lead Joined: 10 Nov 2007 Posts: 297

TP damage just got gutted. Have a look

Kensu · Joined: 27 Apr 2007 Posts: 91

Figured this was coming. Our DPS was too good heh.
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Ariakon · Joined: 22 Aug 2008 Posts: 5

This is ridiculous. Our class was well below par for over a year in terms of DPS. Now we get our well needed update and keep our DPS for all of, what, maybe 6 months? Granted while raiding i can do some massive DPS, (occasionally out parsing our sorcerers), but it is still not without risk. Any time i go full blast with TP i am risking killing myself.

I kept telling myself i will wait it out, and psi's will get better. How long were we a joke to most classes? Not really wanted in groups? You could tell by the sheer number of Psi's since VG came out that we were a lacking class. Then our update comes out and puts us right where we needed to be. Useful, wanted in groups, new players and old willing to roll up a psi. With this nerf all we are gonna be casting is our DoTs which are gonna need to be refreshed every 20 seconds or so. That doesnt sound as amusing to me as atleast having the choice whether i wanted to nuke or DoT.

Sorry for the rant, this just disappoints me to the point of not wanting to play my Psi again.

Ariakon Anklemez
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Rizbane · Joined: 06 Nov 2007 Posts: 7

I think we all expected some sort of a nerf at some point. Being the highest DPS caster class (and one of the highest DPS classes period) just wasn't right. It was a curious decision to nerf TP though, as it takes health. I mean when you cast a spell that hurts you, the return should be significant. I'm kind of happy for sorcs, as they really should be the highest DPS casting class since they have little utility outside of DPSing. I guess the question is are they nerfing us too much (while buffing several other classes at the same time). I'm struggling to decide for myself if it's time to think about going back to the pally (which I originally rolled due to PSI suckage back in the day). I'll give it a bit though and see where things settle.

Just to QQ a little, as a PSI I already do not get to fight many raid fights because my health dips due to TP while I'm all out DPSing. I mean, we need a group healer keeping us topped off already for certain fights just to survive and now they're nerfing the gain we get from doing that. A group 4 buff bot I will not be.... at least on a regular basis.

Kensu · Joined: 27 Apr 2007 Posts: 91

And to honest we already have 2 psi's in our raid atm. With this nerf they are not going to need more than 1. I have already rerolled another toon. Not going to sit around and wait for them to try and fix our class for 6 more months if they nerf our DPS away.
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gibin · Joined: 23 Feb 2008 Posts: 19

Its not just TP either, ALL of our damage spells have had their damage reduced. (check your tooltips).

Thought Pulse and Telekenitic Blast both have had their feedback removed, TP does not ramp up anymore.

basically our spell damage is back to pre GU6 but we get to keep the extra aoe's and lower duration on dementia, without the fear of feedback killing us on TP, which has just become another instant cast nuke for sub par damage.

Ariakon · Joined: 22 Aug 2008 Posts: 5

Think its definetly time to retire the Psi then as soon as these changes go live.

Darkpoet Slainheart · Psionicist Class Lead Joined: 10 Nov 2007 Posts: 297

I voted with my wallet and moved on. Hopefully I will see some of you in darkfall online

Ariakon · Joined: 22 Aug 2008 Posts: 5

Sorry to see you go Darkpoet, you and Brahman did alot to bring enjoyment and power back to the class. You both did a great job with the GU that is now pretty much being taken away from us.

For all the idiots on the vgplayers forums, that say we have plenty of utility to make up for the lack of DPs, let them play a Psi. They also say that since CV was nerfed, this nerf to TP had to happen. If this is true why did the idiot devs not nerf it our HUGE overhaul. Instead of nerfing it, which CV WAS nerfed right around this time, they increased its power. It went from being a spell that was cast occasionally, to one that i used all the time, due to the reduction in self damage.

For those of us that dont have a new game to go to, GL in Darkfall by the way, I suggest retiring the Psi as i am doing. I have already informed my guild of the Psi's impending retirement. Maybe if they dont see any Psi's in game they will realize that things need to change.

Ariakon Anklemez
Heirs to the Throne
50 Psi (retired)
44 Ranger

P.S. If you not planning on taking my advice and retiring, Heirs to the Throne is currently recruiting to fill the newly opened Psi position.

Aginon · Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 52

Darkpoet Slainheart · Psionicist Class Lead Joined: 10 Nov 2007 Posts: 297

I am as positive as a NDA if you catch my drift

Darkpoet Slainheart · Psionicist Class Lead Joined: 10 Nov 2007 Posts: 297

Rizbane · Joined: 06 Nov 2007 Posts: 7

Aye, the only thing guilds will want us around for after GU6 is for buffs. I made a post on the Test forums and got a negative response. Not only did they nerf our damage, they buffed damage from other classes, putting us right int the middle of the pack DPS-wise. Ok, that by itself isn't even terrible, but when you consider our primary attack drains our heath.... it makes us a liability to raids, while we deliver average DPS. Like DP pointed out, our "utility" is weak, as it is shared by other classes. The former class leads did an awesome job of making PSI a fun class for a bit, but now that's going away.

I'm signing off from VG as well. Good luck guys.

Ojisan · Joined: 10 Jun 2008 Posts: 7

I really wonder where will psi stand dps wise after gu6.

But regarding utility and buffs, maybe they are not godly, but they are certanly better/much better then from other casters...soo how one can expect to have both superior buff/utility and have more/same dps as classes then dont have that, thats just illogical.

Saying all this i keep in mind that dps should be slightly less then on other casters, if this change will make psi do like 30-40% less then least caster dps then yes its bad. But if difference with next rank caster dps is more then 10% then its not good.

Kensu · Joined: 27 Apr 2007 Posts: 91

From what I can tell they are nerfing several DPS classes across the board to lower raid wide dps in order to make 24 man raids more balanced for current content. Also I think they are trying to make tanks able to hold aggro better by giving them a small buff to dps. We aren't alone in the dps nerf.
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bobandu · Joined: 24 Sep 2007 Posts: 30

They're nerfing TP..... Our primary source of DPS and that's supposed to be a small thing?? So what.. even if they leave us alone otherwise, the nerf bat on TP is enough to make me wanna quit. We suck for over a year and get a little spotlight where we actually can match dps with other high DPS classes... and only.... ONLY, may I add, when we ramp up thought pulse to suicidal levels (often dying in the process) and they take that away. Has any genius dev actually parsed it thoroughly??? A psi without thought pulse is like a tank without taunt... Do it VG i dare you!!! Let it go live and I'll hit VG where it matters... my subscription... seems there are several others thinking the same thing. Want a server where there are only 2-3 psi's around again??? I'm NOT being a buff bot. I actually like to play my character.

Ojisan · Joined: 10 Jun 2008 Posts: 7

Heh, looked on parses from test server today on warden mob (pantheon real boss i assume). BM - 4k Psi -2800 disc 3k Bard -4k sorc 4,5k

Thats just WRONG. I mean if healers can dps on par with dps classes, why the hell you need dps clases.. Plus general spread doesnt look like more then 30% between offencive healers - top dps classes

Hypnus · Joined: 03 Jun 2008 Posts: 20

Well, it was fun while it lasted, but we did seem over-powered. Getting groups/raids never has, nor will it ever be hard for Psi's in my opinion. Just too many raid bosses and events where a Psi or two is critical.

Aginon · Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 52

Nytemare · Joined: 01 Sep 2008 Posts: 2

Hello my first post here and well I hope this hasn't been asked and answered, but I have a question about this nerf.

How bad is it? I realize they are nerfing TP and apparently some/all of our DoTs, but how much are they nerf'ing the DoTs? I am mostly solo, although I do group on occasion and would like to know if the viability of the solo Psi is going to dip dramatically.

I have seen numbers ranging from dropping the dot dmg by as much as 25%. I'm hoping thats not the case, but was wondering if there are any Psi's out there that are on test and can give a concrete number on what the DPS nerf will be.

Thanks again.